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    The best reviews can give an album the credit it is due despite the “baggage” that comes with the history of a band. Like Kurt Cobain and In Utero, a final work takes on a much bigger importance afterwards. And I guess Då som nu för alltid does have a shadow over it for that reason, and one that is hard to shake. So it took me a while to write anything cohesive about this.

    So, this is the end of a run of albums that for the most part has been nothing but pleasure for me. The anticipation and excitement of an album by kent is the same as seeing an old friend for the first time in years. Even though I am older and my senses have become duller for certain things, they do still light up from time to time. I should say that many new bands give me that pleasure. But most of the flames I once had for older bands are now flickers of nostalgia for the old days. With kent, I always want the new not the old.

    As I started listening, I wonder if the “death” theme marks a strange symmetry in the bands career. Du & Jag Döden is now seen as the “end” of one version of the band, and Då som nu för alltid is the end of another. On the first listen, I have to say I got the same feeling that I did when I listened to Röd. Unlike the last 3 kent albums which I could form an opinion on very quickly, this one feels somehow deeper. It needs several listens in a variety of settings to “click.”

    A song like Den vänstra stranden is a great example. While the over the top synth sounds can seem too much at first, they become normal soon enough. I see the record as a continuation and completion of the last 4 albums, like kurvitz wrote. Since EPIS, the band have been less and less indulgent in their sound. There’s no fat to trim and the songs are lean and to the point.

    While the production has become lighter to suit the theme of later life, the songs have also become more straightforward. There is nowhere for an unimaginative arrangement to hide. There are some similarities to the last few works under the production however. The 1-2 1-2 chord progression of Andromeda is not too far from Mirage when you unpick it. Although it's true, the production and playing could not be more different. The big hits of “vi var kids - just kids” give you an sign that this is no mere re-run of the last few albums.

    For the most part though, Då som nu för alltid begins where Tigerdrottningen left off. The band surrounded by all the glittering sounds they’ve created over the last 10 years. Tennsoldater is a perfect example of this. The smooth and subtle arrangements allow the lyrics to come through and everything is there for a reason. Another thing that hits me about this is that nothing gets in the way of anything else. The verses of Vi är för alltid are a great example of this. The delayed guitars make a wet soundscape which wraps around the deep vocal. Beneath this, the electro style drums are much more subtle than they might be on a big “live” sounding kit. I have a feeling that this song in particular would be absolutely huge live.

    If there is a weakness, I think the bridge from track 3 to track 6 is a little "light." I feel that Nattpojken & Dagflickan is quite a nice song on its own. But I also think it sucks a little bit of momentum out of the album just as it gets going. This falls into the category of Ruta 1 and Innan himlen faller ner for me. Songs that have their merits but don't connect for one reason and another, and arguably are a tweak away from being great rather than good. I think there is a good argument that Egoist should have made it onto the final tracklist. However, I totally can see why it didn't. It would remove some variety and pacing from the album. But having that song would take it from a 9 to a 10/10 purely because (in my humble opinion) it's a better song than N&D. If I could find an Egoist shaped hole, I guess it could fit as track 3 or 4. The glitchy guitar would sit quite well with Vi är för alltid next to it.

    After track 5 it’s nothing but a downhill (in a good way) run to the finish. Vi är inte längre där and Förlåtelsen are both huge songs and are up there with the best songs they've written. The first of these two is one of those classic happy/sad contradictions. The music verges on the celebratory, while the lyrics suggest a sad or difficult thought. The result is heart wrenching, and even though it not about the end of the band, it carries an undeniable weight. I don’t know what to say about Förlåtelsen. It’s up there with the best they’ve ever done. To boot, it’s a “windows down, arms up play it loud” kind of song.

    And as we go through the 2nd half of the album, something else occurs to me. As the album progresses the instrumentation becomes more straightforward. The arrangements are much more "naked." The songs are more and more stripped down to the bare elements and the other instruments, synths, (bells and whistles if you like) fade away. While it's by no means a simple band record by this stage, it does feel like a shedding of skin (perhaps quite literally) as the record goes on. By the end, all that is left in the end is the 4 guys in a room playing, apart from a a glistening synth here and a pad there. It's a subtle change, and possibly not deliberate, but it's quite poignant to imagine the guys rehearsing in a studio in 2016, just like they did in the early 90s.

    After this point, it feels like the final part of the album is about saying everything that is still unsaid, and Gigi is another curveball. I’m not quite sure if it is a critique on the current music scene, a critique of the band themselves, or the fans. Musically this is one of the bigger curveballs on the album. Starting with an Ensamheten like guitar piece, before going for a big Queen-esque stomp.

    The final act is completely sublime though. The flow, the sadness and the sound of Falska profeter is the closest thing to the classic kent band sound. I'd say it almost harks back to sounds last heard on Du & jag döden. The final refrain typifies the beauty of the arrangements across the whole album.

    I’m not sure what you can say about Den sista sången. It’s stark, obvious and brutal goodbye. And in keeping with the theme of the album, it doesn’t outstay its welcome. This is an emotional goodbye, and it packs an extra punch the first few times you hear it. As the ending comes through from the kids singing, to the instrumental and the final chorus, the final section is both short and sweet. And as such, the last word is just that. The song is gone before you can catch your breath.

    Despite the sadness, as the final chord rings out, I feel like celebrating. Over the years I have seen many great bands fail. I’ve seen it happen with an “open letter” to the fans and a messy split. I’ve seen bands spat out by the record industry machine. I've seen great bands run out of money and never recover (or record) again. I’ve seen bands limp into relative obscurity and then call it quits on a quiet rainy January. Kent somehow managed to miss all those steps and bow out with a triumph.
    Senast redigerat av .namnlös den 2016-05-31 klockan 20:59. Anledning: Tidying the post up....

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    Very well written, namnlös.
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    Very well written, namnlös.
    Yes, isn't it kind of funny that the English part of the forum feels so much more civilized and intelligent than the Swedish one, almost as if the 'skill' required to appreciate Kent (lyrics) as a non-native Swedish person is so much greater.
    Great review by namnlös anyway.

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    Cheers guys!

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    Thanks for a nice read. While I wouldn't quite slot N&D in there with Innan Himmlen Fallen Ner and Ruta 1 yet, it does run a risk. As to Egoist, sometimes you can make a good album great by slightly tuning the tracklist. "Intimacy" by Bloc Party, Kashmir's excellent "Tresspassers" and "Futurology", the last Manic Street Preachers album, are all examples I think I've had some success with.

    But with kent I just never seem to be able to get it right. They have a way of always being the best possible version of themselves. I remember trying to force 2000 on Röd, with muted embarrassment. Trying to replace Järnspöken with Alla Mot Alla -- get your incompetent hands away from the Du och Jag Döden tracklist, you ogre! It's the best LP of your lifetime, you think you can "better" it? Even the swedish Hagnesta Hill they themselves have tried to tune (with the english version -- apparently they think it's too long) is actually perfect as it is. It's like a double album really.

    I do think En Plats I Solen should have been an all out only hits five song summer EP and the more somber tracks should have expanded the Röd legend as it's b-sides. And instead of Box I would have liked a B-Sidor 00-10 to round out their decade as the best band in the world. The D&JD b-sides and one off songs reinforced by EPIS outtakes like Team Building would have made a terrific compilation album, absolutely regal. I've made a what if version and it sounds like the great sprawling sad goth album everyone seems to have wanted from them.

    But the rest are unimprovable IMO, I'm afraid Egoist probably just didn't fit anywhere. They processed the possibility, us going over it again won't yield a better result than the band.
    Senast redigerat av Kurvitz den 2016-06-01 klockan 04:45.

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    Thanks for a nice read. While I wouldn't quite slot N&D in there with Innan Himmlen Fallen Ner and Ruta 1 yet, it does run a risk. As to Egoist, sometimes you can make a good album great by slightly tuning the tracklist. "Intimacy" by Bloc Party, Kashmir's excellent "Tresspassers" and "Futurology", the last Manic Street Preachers album, are all examples I think I've had some success with.

    But the rest are unimprovable IMO, I'm afraid Egoist probably just didn't fit anywhere. They processed the possibility, us going over it again won't yield a better result than the band.
    Yeah exactly. The thing is, the album does need a pause for breath before the run to the end, and Egoist isn't it (however good it is.)
    As I alluded to, the problem for all tracklistings is that things in isolation don't always work as a collective. In my head there are albums out there of 12 singles, but of course that works better in theory than in practice. One can only take so much sugar!

    Completely agree re:EPIS. I think a 6 track EP would have given Röd its moment in the sun for a while longer, in the same way the H&S ep supports D&JD rather than dominates. It is the light to the dark of its predecessor. Part of the reason I think that is mainly because Röd is so damn good. It felt a little strange to curtail that campaign for an album which was good but honestly not on the same level. I think those songs might have been B-sides in the traditional sense had they not gone all out on remixes as B-sides in that era.

    I confess I've played around with a few tracklistings for fun. But I normally see them as sacred cows, only because the band felt like including things for a reason. I've done the same with my own music, and when things are your "children" it becomes slightly less easy to be objective about it. I hear that kent "cried" leaving Nihilisten off D&JD, and I can see why. But that whole era of B-sides is incredibly strong. I'm sure there are completely unrecorded songs from that time that would blow us away.

    Glad you enjoyed the read!

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    I’m not sure what you can say about Den sista sången. It’s stark, obvious and brutal goodbye. And in keeping with the theme of the album, it doesn’t outstay its welcome. This is an emotional goodbye, and it packs an extra punch the first few times you hear it. As the ending comes through from the kids singing, to the instrumental and the final chorus, the final section is both short and sweet. And as such, the last word is just that. The song is gone before you can catch your breath.
    Thanks for another brilliant review. Lots to find and agree on in what you wrote, but the best part is on Den sista sången. It's a song you would want it to go on forever, but it doesn't, and it is better like that. I like the wild guitar-sound in the middle, and on one side I do hope in a live-version they make that longer, one last wall of sound, but it does really work better when it is short, and the song continues.

    It's a brilliant album, with at least 6 songs I would hope to hear live at least 1 time, plus then Egoist as well... but somehow Kent are hitting all the right notes on how to say goodbye, so I'm sure the tour itself will be something to remember as well, in whatever way they choose. Vi är för alltid live... a whole crowd singing back to them 'Du och jag för alltid' in the middle part... that will be pure magic.

    And I would slot in Egoist right after Andromeda, the end sounds in that song remind me of the opening sounds of Egoist. And then move onto Tennsoldater

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    Wonderful review .namnlös! You really nailed a lot of my thoughts when hearing the album! It's really growing on me.

    And yes, there are surely quite a lot of unrecorded songs and songs that never made it to the albums from all of Kent's releases, that would blow us away! Inhale/Exhale is one such example. But unfortunately we'll never get to hear the majority of them.

    And I really hope they will extend Den sista sången a bit live, it would be amazing!
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    Indeed. And thanks for the nice comments again folks! I look forward to hearing other peoples thoughts as and when they get round to putting something down.

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    Some intense thoughts, .nämlös. Well done!

    What I wonder about the most is if Jocke decided to make a final album or if he got the idea while he was writing the lyrics for “Vi Är Inte Längre Där.” However, I also wonder if this album and tour would have been so successful if Kent hadn’t announced their break up.

    Although I stopped listening to entire albums long ago, making my own compilations with various artists instead, “Tigerdrottningen” was an exception. I tried to repeat this with “Då Som Nu För Alltid,” but it doesn’t work. There are three superb songs (“Den Vänstra Stranden,” “Förlåtelsen“ & “Vi Är För Alltid“), two good songs (“Andromeda“ & “Vi Är Inte Längre Där“) and lots of fillers which don’t move me physically nor emotionally. It appears that the two superb tracks “Då Som Nu För Alltid“ & “Egoist” were left off for marketing purposes. They would've fit perfectly on the album and will be great at the live shows. Also, two songs are held back for the greatest hits compilation which will be released to coincide with the start of the tour. With these four “missing” tracks (and the removal of the fillers – sorry Anna Ternheim, you’re still a great musician) this could have been one of Kent’s best albums. Oh, and “Vi Är För Alltid“ should’ve been called “Petroleum II.“

    I still love the band and am really looking forward to the tour!

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    I'm not sure that we'll ever know for sure, but I think the decision to quit wasn't necessarily reached by Jocke alone. It may have been any one of them, or all of them, who felt it was time. I do seriously doubt that this is a decision that would come about from writing lyrics to a song, though.
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    I'm not sure that we'll ever know for sure, but I think the decision to quit wasn't necessarily reached by Jocke alone. It may have been any one of them, or all of them, who felt it was time. I do seriously doubt that this is a decision that would come about from writing lyrics to a song, though.
    I had another thought that I did not add initially I have to admit this is also highly speculative. I wonder now listening to Tigerdrottningen and Den andra sidan if the thought was in their mind 2 years ago but perhaps? I know there was talk of a song like Var är vi nu being incredibly personal too. Now it feels a lot more like a building up to this album. I seriously doubt Tigerdrottningen was intended to be an ending, but it did cross my mind.

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    Something that I noticed when I was doing the song translations, and I'm not sure how obvious it is when you read the english versions, is that in the songs from Då som nu för alltid, is that there are lots of references to other, earlier kent songs. So many that I feel they are deliberate, and not just a common phrases or words. And before I heard this album, or read the lyrics, (way back when the 'end' was announced) was when did the band know before or after the writing/ recording process that this was the last? And it certainly seems to me like it was known early on in the process.

    Maybe the band will never tell us at what point they 'knew' or if it was a single or group decision. That's up to them. But the lack of 'direct' interaction with the fans there has been around this album (personal twitter, band twitter, forum posts, even a rare interview) means I feel that maybe there will be something big later in the year. Maybe a film/ documentary. Maybe even a book (again). Maybe there will be nothing. And it's really strange, but I feel that the lack of info, photos, etc surrounding this album explains some of the detachment I currently feel, the previous 2 albums had masses of 'pre-promotion' through tweets by the band, photos in the studio (and the Jesper Waldersten book) and this time there was just nothing.

    I'm still really enjoying the album, Den vänstra siden and Förlåtelsen are faves so far. Sadly I have to say the Skyll inte ifrån dig does absolutely nothing for me. I find it so boring and bland that I sometimes don't even realise I've listened to it. And I'm sorry if that comes across really harsh, I'd usually be the last person to knock a kent song, but I feel it adds nothing to the album and I know I'm useless at doing 'track order' things but I'd rather have had Egoist on there somewhere else instead.
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    Something that I noticed when I was doing the song translations, and I'm not sure how obvious it is when you read the english versions, is that in the songs from Då som nu för alltid, is that there are lots of references to other, earlier kent songs. So many that I feel they are deliberate, and not just a common phrases or words. And before I heard this album, or read the lyrics, (way back when the 'end' was announced) was when did the band know before or after the writing/ recording process that this was the last? And it certainly seems to me like it was known early on in the process.
    From my understanding (when reading the pressrelease about the intended breakup and the final album and tour) the whole idea was to produce the album with the intention and though that it would be the very last one. As they themselves write:

    This time we wanted to see what would happen if we would try and do this for the last time.
    What kind of feelings emerge?


    That tells me that they had this in mind before the album was produced, and that the whole record is somewhat an illustration of the bandmembers' feelings when recording one final album together. And to me, that's actually a brilliant and beautiful way to go out!
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    Something that I noticed when I was doing the song translations, and I'm not sure how obvious it is when you read the english versions, is that in the songs from Då som nu för alltid, is that there are lots of references to other, earlier kent songs. So many that I feel they are deliberate, and not just a common phrases or words. And before I heard this album, or read the lyrics, (way back when the 'end' was announced) was when did the band know before or after the writing/ recording process that this was the last? And it certainly seems to me like it was known early on in the process.
    I noticed this, but I wasn't sure if they were deliberate or not. As you say, there are so many that I'd be surprised if they were accidental.

    By the same token, lyrics and vocals tend to go on an album last, so they could have waited until very late in the process. I remember when I made my record, I wrote some words the day I recorded them! So the could have been out in the studio, and then decided mid-way through recording that they wanted to call it a day. But as FF says, there is a high chance the decision was taken a while ago.

    Re: the lack of promotion, it is strange. But then, the tour to draw a line under the band is one of the biggest that they will undertake. So I suspect they are holding back somewhat to allow a full on celebration, which will last around 4 months. That does overshadow the album somewhat, but it's understandable. And in reality it continues a trend of minimal promotion from the last few years to its conclusion. The music now simply speaks for itself.
    Senast redigerat av .namnlös den 2016-06-04 klockan 17:31.

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