Thank you! I also consider Jocke's voice as one of the instruments, despite being able to understand the lyrics.Ursprungligen postat av SirNoodle
What a great story (yes, I've read it completely, with all spoilers). And what great stamina to learn Swedish. I can recognise various elements from your Kent-discovery journey, and I once played with the idea of learning Swedish as well, but I simply could not put the effort into it. I only know bits and phrases, reading only, and I get by with translations of lyrics to get a feeling for the lyrics. And for the rest I just focus mostly on the music and consider Jokke's voice as 1 of the instruments.
I read your Swedish message in the sports topic, about being proud as a Hungarian (I'm Belgium, we were the other team in that lovely game, we build big expectations on that and typically Belgian, we destroyed those expectations immediately in the following match against Wales). And that looked very Swedish to me, the google translate worked perfectly on it to understand it
Anyway: I'm just really amazed and in admiration on the effort you've put into learning Swedish.
Belgium's football team was significantly better than ours, that was clearly visible. We still have a long way to go to be able to compete with you. I am still very proud of our guys, compared to what awful state our football team has been in here for years, their performance was fantastic. Even if Iceland and Wales outshone Hungary, I do think that this team is the best we have ever had in my lifetime. My only gripe is that my favourite player spent very little time on the field, I would have liked to see more of him.
Thanks! Actually, I do not do much review of what I have written to the forums, I read it through once when I have posted it and go back to correct any errors I notice. I usually think it out in Swedish and do not translate back and forth, but my Hungarian is clearly rubbing off on it. We do use more complicated and longer sentences typically. When I started reading in Swedish, I found it strange that even adult books had often "simple" sentences, at least compared to what I'm used to.Amazing story! You have an admirable stamina and patience to learn Swedish, it seems - very impressive! And I stand by my earlier statement; I looked through some of your posts written in Swedish (just out of curiosity) and it can easily pass as written by any native Swede.
I understand of course that it is easier in writing, when you have the time and resources to verify that everything is correct before posting it. But still, very impressive! Grammatically there aren't many errors, only detail I could notice though is that maybe some phrases/expressions here and there are a bit complicated/long. But mastering that is something I guess you can only learn by time and experience (such as being raised with the language for example).
If I look at a lot of people here in Sweden, most of them younger (I should add - I'm in my mid-20's), there are far more errors and mistakes in their writing than in yours. I've always been good with languages in school (not that I have found it very interesting, I guess I just happen to be good at it), and I also studied a year at the university here. There I found very few who could actually write a really decent text without a shitload of errors and mistakes. It surprised me, as I don't understand how the knowledge of one's own native language can be so low, and seem to have deteriorated so much just over these past few years. I felt it was honestly quite emabarrassing to see people master their own language so poorly in such an educated place as the university...
Anyway, my rant about my fellow Swedes and their poor language skills is over (I suspect my grammar nazism won't be, though)!
Just keep practicing and speaking (when you get the chance) and I'm sure you'll master your Swedish gallantly!
I can't really argue lack of time and experience anymore, not after I spent 8 years on and off trying to learn Swedish. I can only claim not living in a native enviroment, but that seems to be a meager excuse. It gives me even bad conscience that I have spent so many years on trying to learn Swedish and I'm still not there where I want to be. Quite honestly, I often feel like a failure because of it.
I experience the same deterioration of language here. I guess it's mostly carelessness, people cannot be bothered to reread and correct what they write. It probably has more to do with the internet, that written communication (i.e. chat) has become the same informal as spoken language. People are not used to giving a second thought and formulating their ideas more carefully when writing them down anymore. Also, everything is published immediately, you no longer sit around days and grubble about that awful spelling mistake you made in your first sentence that will surely prompt the reader to think you are dumb. Nowadays it's written and forgotten.
It's the Sonic interview/articles book that kent does not acknowledge as a kent book and Martin even forbade his parents to read it. This one (the photo is not mine, mine is in a lot better condition):@Jazzpurist, you mentioned "the black book we do not talk about." What is that?
(Nice story too, thanks.)
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